I have written to Nev with my concerns about the described rig . Hope I've done the right thing.
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Posts: 402 (19/10/2009 19:38:01) |
Hi Chris; not had my P+P yet, can you describe the rig
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Posts: 210 (19/10/2009 20:42:59) |
Two big eagle claws in tandem about 3" apart - used with dumbell , he said he was missing takes with one hook !
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Posts: 72 (19/10/2009 21:15:36) |
Hi Chris.
I've not seen the article yet so will try to restrain myself until I have done so. I cannot understand the need to use more than a single hook for any UK catfish. I have caught some giants and never at any time have I felt the need to use more than a single hook. If you are missing takes then clearly something is not correct - be it the presentation, hook pattern, hook size etc. If anglers follow his example then the logical conclusion to 'more hooks means more fish on the bank' is that people will start using trebles - and we know where that will lead us. Fishery owners are paranoid about inexperienced anglers losing big fish simply because they are undergunned anyway. The potential use of multi hook rigs will not help our cause one bit. It will also encourage owners to stop anglers using 'natural baits' and promote the boilie/pellet approach. |
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Posts: 141 (19/10/2009 22:21:07) |
Hang im high! You've sure done the right thing Chris. If the editor had any sense he would have rejected the article instead of publishing it.
Agree with you Henry, missing a lot of takes means something else is wrong. |
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Posts: 210 (19/10/2009 22:38:54) |
Neville Fickling is the editor of pike and preds and he runs a catfish fishery. I know he's a busy man , and will say that this article is just the opinion
of one person, but the prob is that less experianced catters will copy this rig. Lets hope they've forgot about it by next april !
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Posts: 402 (20/10/2009 07:15:06) |
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Posts: 102 (20/10/2009 08:46:57) |
I agree...... on baits the size he is using there is no need for two hooks, let alone a "flying" hook.
I have seen in french mags some rigs where they use what I can only describe as an elastic band to hold a stinger hook onto the flanks for BIG livebaits to prolong the life of the baits ie only lip hooking and not having a second hook impailed in the fish....maybe that is the way to go. Rich |
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Posts: 72 (20/10/2009 16:52:34) |
I've read the article now so can comment further. Firstly I cannot believe that the writer is a CCG member. If he was then he must have heard of circle
hooks and if he had been using them he would not have suffered from the dropped and missed runs. Secondly if it's based on the water that I believe it is,
then it is full of cats and especially kittens. Consequently it's easier to understand the poor runs to banked fish ratio. He states that he prefers 4-6 oz
rudd in which case a 1 or 1/0 circle would do the job for him. He also recommends a short braided hooklink (albeit Ton-Up) so he's clearly not heard about
fluorocarbon trace material either. I would have thought that rudd + braided trace = tangles but each to their own. I agree that maybe Neville should have
contacted the writer to discuss aspects prior to publishing so as not to give newcomers to the cat world poor advice that could backfire. Wonder if Neville
permits the use of multi-hook rigs on his own cat waters ?
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Posts: 402 (21/10/2009 17:56:36) |
Got my copy of P+P today. Absolutely no need to use the rig pictured. If the author is missing and losing fish then the double hook set-up is not the way to
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Whether or not circle hooks would have helped him or not, I can't say because I have yet to find them a neccessity. In fact, out of a dozen or more takes on livos this year, Iv'e hooked and landed every one. I do wonder if the guy's not striking properly, because it sounds like he's come straight from a #@*$ background, so is probably just winding down.(in which case circles might help) |
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Posts: 354 (23/10/2009 18:43:54) |
Neville does a fair bit of catting and has his own Cat water so i was surprised he published that rig! |
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Posts: 210 (23/10/2009 19:04:24) |
Nevs in Ireland now , should be back soon .
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Posts: 1708 (24/10/2009 21:33:57) |
i dont think nevs as clued up on catfish as some might think . i had a wonder over to him when he attended one of the lakemore catfish challenge cup events
,he was just about to cast out a lip hooked livebait on a very crude rig ,i mentioned the fact that he should put a bait shield on before he casted, or at
least hair rig the livey ,he asked why ,i said because you are useing a barbless hook nev, his reply was ,oh yes! now is it me ,or was it just common scence
to realise that a bait wouldnt stay on a barbless hook very long , unless you did something to stop it literally swimming away after a few minutes in the water
,rendering the session a complete waste of time, unless possibly he just didnt give a s##t about the event ,or catching a cat ,or his allocated partner for the
night ,and just wanted a good nites kip. enuf said .atb lads
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Posts: 55 (26/10/2009 11:57:03) |
Even worse if you do it with 3 leeches on the hook mate.
 atb
Peter.
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Posts: 210 (26/10/2009 18:08:04) |
Now had a response from Nev on this , looks encouraging , just get the next Pand P and see what happens in part 2.
But ....... Got a feeling in me bones that this is far from over ...yet . Chris. |
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Posts: 1708 (26/10/2009 20:18:30) |
hurricane wrote: how you doing pete .any results on the mere mate as of late .would love to av a return visit ,will pay tho ,dont want a free bee , aint fair on paying members etc , even if its just day ticket costs etc will pay contrabution till membership is due , just wana be fair and not upset the apple cart so to speak .hope you and the lads [ ray baz etc ] ok and keeping well . atb bud . will ring you soon . |
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